Meir
Likud
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Post by Meir on Jun 13, 2016 14:36:16 GMT
Madam Speaker,
It is very necessary if Israel is defined as a Jewish state because we are, unless the member fails to understand that the Palestinian Authority fails to teach their children that there has been a long presence of Jewish legacy and history. The government will not remove the clause.
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Post by eliasjaeger1 on Jun 13, 2016 14:50:53 GMT
Would the Prime Minister explain to the House Why exactly is it necessary for the Palastinian Authority to recognize Israel as a Jewish State, Madama Speaker? And what benefits will it reap aside from merely recognizing the State of Israel?
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Meir
Likud
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Post by Meir on Jun 13, 2016 14:59:21 GMT
Madam Speaker,
Would the member recognize the Palestinian Authority as the legitimate Palestinian state? If not then he is a hypocrite. The Palestinian Authority has long refused to recognize Israel as a Jewish state which in turn has led to nations calling for Israel's destruction. I think the survival of Israel's Jewish character is essential in dealing with radical Islamist terror, unless the member thinks that isn't important.
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Post by miriam on Jun 13, 2016 15:52:13 GMT
POINT OF ORDER Madam Speaker!!
The Prime Minister continues to act in an un-parliamentary manner. First he calls me a liar and now he refers to the honourable gentleman as a hypocrite. This should not be allowed and serves just degrade his office, his government and the Knesset.
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Meir
Likud
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Post by Meir on Jun 13, 2016 16:04:02 GMT
Madam Speaker,
Last time I checked it wasn't against the rules to state a member is lying in the Knesset, the member was in fact lying to all members when she claimed that this bill would create terrorism with no evidence provided. I stand by my statements, if the member wants me to hold her hand, I'll gladly do it. But until that days comes I advise her to grow up and present a logical argument when debating.
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Post by miriam on Jun 13, 2016 16:29:36 GMT
Madam Speaker, the Prime Minister can keeps his hands to himself thank you very much. I neither require nor desire his hand. Neither do I need his histrionics which serve but to endanger Israel and as I said, degrade the office he currently holds.
Madam Speaker, I will turn his question to me round on him. What proof does he have that this Bill will stop terrorist attacks against Israel? What proof does he have that it will not increase the support for the various anti-Israeli organisations? We are all dealing in what if's and possible outcomes.
It is my opinion that this Bill will instil in the Palestinian people a further hatred of Israel if we add to the misery of their situation, Madam Speaker. It is common sense, something that the Prime Minister appears to be sorely lacking. It is human nature. If I was dependent upon someone else to provide financial support to improve my current conditions, to enable my grandchildren to go to school, to help my sick relatives get the medication they need and that person then maliciously decides to withdraw that support because someone else has taken action against them, it is natural that my frustration and anger at that withdrawal of aid would increase. In the long term, with very little option left open to me, I would be tempted to join those who oppose the person who once helped me.
It is not hyperbole, Madam Speaker, it is human nature. The fact that the Prime Minister cannot or will not see that is rather concerning. Yes, I understand his desire for revenge for the attacks against the country. Yes, I suppose it is human nature for some to seek revenge through hurting innocent people.....after-all, that is exactly what the terrorists are doing. But revenge has never worked in the past, it simply throws petrol on the flames.
If we live by the premise of "an eye for and eye, a tooth for a tooth" we all eventually end up blind and toothless.
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Meir
Likud
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Post by Meir on Jun 13, 2016 16:38:12 GMT
Madam Speaker,
Can the honorable member read? Not once did I say this bill will prevent terror, not once did this bill indicate anywhere would this bill be used to stop terrorism. Once again I will do the job of the honorable member as it seems me and the member of my own party even comprehends what this bill does. Once again Madame speaker this bill will cease Israeli taxpayer money to be supplied to the Palestinian Authority until they do more to end terrorism and ending the promotion of terrorism within their authority. Can the member understand that or does she need even more help in understanding a very simplistic bill?
And it shows that torah education is lacking in this country, an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth in the torah means financial compensation not physical compensation.
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Post by Amin Neri on Jun 13, 2016 19:01:40 GMT
Madam Speaker,
The Labour leader states that this measure will further the 'hatred' of Israel amongst the Palestinian people should it pass and in fact turn them to violence against us.
I have two observations for the Honourable Member.
Firstly how can she justify to hard working, peaceful and frustrated Israelis that we, the State of Israel, must continue to fund, to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars, a regime that incites anti-Israeli violence and is no doubt complicit in the murder of innocent Israeli citizens? What is her justification for this? Israelis demand to know - why? What have we got from this arrangement so far - have we peace, have we recognition, have we security. No, no and no again.
Secondly there is a harsh reality that the PA and Palestinians themselves need to face up to. Israel is going nowhere. We are strong, proud and determined and this country will flourish despite our many challenges. That reality has yet to sink in with the PA and wider Palestinian populace. It is time the PA faced up to this and changed its approach - start taking responsibility for your own people. Start acting like a political authority.
Show leadership, the right leadership. Show courage, the right courage.
Do this and you'll find a partner in Israel. Fail to live up to the demands and standards expected of you and many years of misery and isolation await you.
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Meir
Likud
Posts: 111
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Post by Meir on Jun 13, 2016 20:55:49 GMT
Hear, Hear Madam Speaker!
My honorable colleague provides much needed level balance to this entire discussion. Let us now provide facts for the honorable labor member who talks dramatics but refuses to back her claims. In 2006 increased the pressure on the Hamas-led Palestinian Authority to recognize Israel and renounce terrorist violence by suspending all direct aid to the new government. Europe is the largest single donor to the Palestinian territories, providing €500m a year, Israel only provides 250 million shekels in tax revenues to aid the Palestinian economy.
So how is cutting off that aid since the Palestinian Authority obtains over a billion dollars worth of aid going to lead to terrorism?
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Post by eliasjaeger1 on Jun 14, 2016 1:14:44 GMT
Madame Speaker, i join with the Honourable Lady to deplore to Prime Minister's behavior in this place. Not only is the Prime Minister refusing to answer questions but goading and insulting those opposite. Deliberately avoiding questions by gtandstanding and saber-rattingling is the sign of a weak government.
Referring back to my original question , what results would it yield to force the Palastinian Authority to recognize the our nation as a Jewish State? Is it not enough for them to recognize the State of Israel?
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Meir
Likud
Posts: 111
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Post by Meir on Jun 14, 2016 1:23:17 GMT
Madam Speaker,
I answered the member's question, if he doesn't like that answer there is simply nothing I can do.
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Post by eliasjaeger1 on Jun 14, 2016 1:29:40 GMT
Madame Speaker, I've heard the Prime Minister's response, and if he truly believes that once the Palastinian Authority recognizes our state as a Jewish state that terrorism will magically end, then we should be more concerned with the Prime Minister's mental health. Moreover, the Prime Minister has no facts nor credible evidence to his claim. My scepticism is that forcing the Palastian Authority to recognize our nation as a Jewish state will lead to more violence. If we want to halt terrorism then our government should focus on winning the hearts and minds of the people residing in the West Bank.
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Meir
Likud
Posts: 111
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Post by Meir on Jun 14, 2016 1:33:35 GMT
Madam Speaker,
Once again naive minds come out to play. Moreover if the member thinks I am suggesting that terrorism will end once the PA recognizes Israel as a Jewish state, I remind him to once again read the bill rather than nitpicking. And once again like his Labor colleague the member talks about winning hearts and minds but can not offer anything to how this country will do that. Send more money? I'll remind the member that in the late 70's to 80's this country gave free education to Palestinians yet terror increased. Winning hearts and minds? I've never heard more rubbish than what was being offered by Labor hours before hand.
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Post by miriam on Jun 14, 2016 14:42:49 GMT
Madam Speaker, we in the Labour Party do not need to be lectured by the Prime Minister on how to deal with terrorists. We in Labour were dealing with terrorists before Likud even existed.
Need I remind him of the Munich Olympics? Need I remind him of Entebbe? Need I remind him of the Yom Kippur War? Or how about Operation Isotope? All dealt with under the governments of the great Golda Meir and Yitzhak Rabin. Two people who had more class and ability in their little finger than the current holder of the post.
All those examples have a single common element. We targeted the terrorists responsible. We exacted justice on those that had personally committed the atrocious acts. We did not target and punish innocent Palestinian civilians. This is where Labour and Likud thankfully part ways. We target the terrorists, they target every Palestinian they possibly can.
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Meir
Likud
Posts: 111
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Post by Meir on Jun 14, 2016 15:48:19 GMT
Madam Speaker,
When facts are presented to the honourable member she ignores them and throws insults, how ironic. I won't even dignify her brain fart with a dignified response. Stick to the arguments of the bill not your fantasies.
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